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bytebug Champion Author Orange County Posts:26,402 Points:4,126,495 Joined:Oct 2001	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 3:38:02 PM Ignore bytebug Report Abuse Let's make a list of scientific hoaxes that have been perpetrated on the public over the ages... My favorites: perpetual motion cold fusion global warming

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Let's make a list of scientific hoaxes that have been perpetrated on the public over the ages...

My favorites:

perpetual motion

cold fusion

global warming

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Don Moderator	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 3:36:13 PM Ignore Don Report Abuse Topic requested to be closed by OP on Feb 2, 2013 at 11:45:52 AM -Don
ldheinz Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,055 Points:2,361,045 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 10:35:27 AM Ignore ldheinz Report Abuse gougedQC, I tend to agree with bytebug that global warming discussion should be limited to its nature as a hoax in this topic. There are other global warming topics if you want to proselytize about your religious beliefs, so please take that discussion there. Also, I already responded to your latest statements in an earlier post. Please read what others say before responding to them. ldheinz - "Yes, a fool and his money are soon parted, so it's financially advantageous to be where the money falls. " [Edited by: ldheinz at 2/3/2013 10:38:43 AM EST]
gougedQC Champion Author Montreal Posts:5,130 Points:69,885 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 10:23:18 AM Ignore gougedQC Report Abuse the original post siad - global warming- as a hoax..hence on topic LD Hienz- no gain whatsoever...sorry but all those companies now producing entirely new products like wind turbines, solar and water panels.. new -evhicles and hybrids etc....and so many many more.... not new opportunities? a fool and his money parted? Duh..but by being green this industrialist created massive new profits for his companies (plural) and his stockholders.. ie green = more money what part of that did you get completely wrong?
ldheinz Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,055 Points:2,361,045 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 1:20:05 PM Ignore ldheinz Report Abuse bytebug, I'll agree that the global warming thing warrants a separate topic, but it is a hoax, and technically isn't off topic. However, it tends to take over and drown out other on topic conversations.
bytebug Champion Author Orange County Posts:26,402 Points:4,126,495 Joined:Oct 2001	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 12:45:52 PM Ignore bytebug Report Abuse Fine… I'm requesting this topic be closed as the debate over the global warming hoax could not be confined to this thread.
ldheinz Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,055 Points:2,361,045 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 11:06:07 AM Ignore ldheinz Report Abuse gougedQC - "steps to limit our production of greenhose gases would absolutely not bankrupt economies..." But, of course, there's absolutely no reason to do so. And while it might not bankrupt them, it would cause unnecessary hardship for no gain whatsoever. gougedQC - "Just as the industrial reveolution created societal upheaval but massive new oppotunitis, and just as the information age created societal unpheaval and massive opportunites, so to does an evnormmental revolution create upheavle but massive opporutintes for technology and jobs..." But the industrial revolution and information age actually helped people, unlike simply pouring money down the toilet in the "evnormmental revolution". Yes, there are a few jobs created to carry the money to the toilet. gougedQC - "who realized that being green was a fantastic way to vastly increase his companies profits.. which he did..much to the delight of shareholders.." Yes, a fool and his money are soon parted, so it's financially advantageous to be where the money falls.
gougedQC Champion Author Montreal Posts:5,130 Points:69,885 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:48:11 AM Ignore gougedQC Report Abuse steps to limit our production of greenhose gases would absolutely not bankrupt economies... Just as the industrial reveolution created societal upheaval but massive new oppotunitis, and just as the information age created societal unpheaval and massive opportunites, so to does an evnormmental revolution create upheavle but massive opporutintes for technology and jobs... IF seized upon.. suggest you read RAY ANDERSON: Confessions of a Radical Industrialist.. he's not an environmentalist, but a pure capitalist who realized that being green was a fantastic way to vastly increase his companies profits.. which he did..much to the delight of shareholders..
bytebug Champion Author Orange County Posts:26,402 Points:4,126,495 Joined:Oct 2001	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 3:38:14 PM Ignore bytebug Report Abuse Could we please move the debate about the global warming hoax back to this thread.
six_ball_man Champion Author Rochester Posts:8,558 Points:1,395,020 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 3:04:56 PM Ignore six_ball_man Report Abuse Panama19: I believe you mean anthropogenic. And the "necessary steps" to control the unnecessary would bankrupt the economies of the developed nations and cause economic collapse on a world-wide scale. You are correct...I meant anthropogenic. ...I do not understand why fixing this problem has to bankrupt anyone. It sounds to an uninitiated boob(me) like a business opportunity. What you are intimating is that the only way we can be economically viable is to dump our waste where someone else will have to clean it up or deal with the issues it creates. That sounds incredibly irresponsible to me...just my opinion....I could be wrong. [Edited by: six_ball_man at 12/5/2012 3:07:11 PM EST]
ldheinz Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,055 Points:2,361,045 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:02:47 AM Ignore ldheinz Report Abuse "Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?"
Panama19 Champion Author Louisville Posts:25,346 Points:2,546,235 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:43:44 AM Ignore Panama19 Report Abuse ldheinz, "I disagree. Those unnecessary steps could really do serious harm to the the environment, in addition to destroying our economy and civil liberties" Well, yes. But other than that, what is the harm? [Edited by: Panama19 at 12/5/2012 10:45:17 AM EST]
ldheinz Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,055 Points:2,361,045 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:26:03 AM Ignore ldheinz Report Abuse six_ball_man - "It is interesting that the anti-evolutionists have taken up the anti-agw banner in this country and are trying desperately to limit exposure to the science involved to our young. These people just do not like science, I think." True. It makes it much harder to have them on my side.
ldheinz Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,055 Points:2,361,045 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:22:41 AM Ignore ldheinz Report Abuse panama19 - "And the "necessary steps" to control the unnecessary would bankrupt the economies of the developed nations and cause economic collapse on a world-wide scale. Other than that, no one would be hurt, as you say." I disagree. Those unnecessary steps could really do serious harm to the the environment, in addition to destroying our economy and civil liberties.
Panama19 Champion Author Louisville Posts:25,346 Points:2,546,235 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:16:51 AM Ignore Panama19 Report Abuse six_ball_man, "If what you believe is true, thousands of intelligent, independent folks would be involved, some not getting grants or seats of power" Bingo. "If global warming isn't real (or anthropomorphic global warming isn't, or we couldn't do anything to fix it anyways...whatever the argument du jour is) and we take steps necessary to limit our emissions we have hurt nobody" I believe you mean anthropogenic. And the "necessary steps" to control the unnecessary would bankrupt the economies of the developed nations and cause economic collapse on a world-wide scale. Other than that, no one would be hurt, as you say.
ldheinz Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,055 Points:2,361,045 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:47:10 AM Ignore ldheinz Report Abuse ihuey99 - "Didn't they find that Lucy the Australopithecus was actually a skeleton of a gorilla? " No.
ihuey99 Champion Author Oakland Posts:1,025 Points:381,415 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 3:51:30 AM Ignore ihuey99 Report Abuse Didn't they find that Lucy the Australopithecus was actually a skeleton of a gorilla?
six_ball_man Champion Author Rochester Posts:8,558 Points:1,395,020 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2012 6:16:05 PM Ignore six_ball_man Report Abuse Mud...I think you are missing other big differences. Pildown man was a hoax of a single, still unidentified person. If what you believe is true, thousands of intelligent, independent folks would be involved, some not getting grants or seats of power. Further, the stakes in this debate are huge. If global warming isn't real (or anthropomorphic global warming isn't, or we couldn't do anything to fix it anyways...whatever the argument du jour is) and we take steps necessary to limit our emissions we have hurt nobody. If it is real and we do nothing, like we are now, the effects will be far reaching and possibly impossible to fix, once it has become obvious even to the deniers. It is interesting that the anti-evolutionists have taken up the anti-agw banner in this country and are trying desperately to limit exposure to the science involved to our young. These people just do not like science, I think. YMMV - mine usually does.
ldheinz Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,055 Points:2,361,045 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Nov 3, 2012 11:15:53 PM Ignore ldheinz Report Abuse As creationists aren't scientists, calling creationism a science is clearly the biggest hoax of all.
mudtoe Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:9,529 Points:1,291,435 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Nov 3, 2012 9:07:46 AM Ignore mudtoe Report Abuse sixball: "Just as Piltdown man being a fraud was proven not by creationist, but evolutionary scientists. " The difference is that in the Piltdown case they didn't have a personal stake in the outcome. That's unfortunately not the case with AGW where grant money and a seat at the table of power are offered for those who play along. mudtoe [Edited by: mudtoe at 11/3/2012 9:09:12 AM EST]
six_ball_man Champion Author Rochester Posts:8,558 Points:1,395,020 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Nov 3, 2012 8:17:00 AM Ignore six_ball_man Report Abuse If global warming is indeed a hoax or fraud, it will not be proven so by deniers. Just as Piltdown man being a fraud was proven not by creationist, but evolutionary scientists.
mudtoe Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:9,529 Points:1,291,435 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Nov 3, 2012 12:55:42 AM Ignore mudtoe Report Abuse ldh: "My favorite scientific hoax was Piltdown Man. It was simply a fraud, perpetrated out of political and social reasons. " Wow, that sounds just like man made global warming! mudtoe
six_ball_man Champion Author Rochester Posts:8,558 Points:1,395,020 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 2:33:34 PM Ignore six_ball_man Report Abuse 2 out of 3 being represented as 3 out of 3 might just qualify...LoL
ldheinz Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,055 Points:2,361,045 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Oct 12, 2012 9:51:17 AM Ignore ldheinz Report Abuse My favorite scientific hoax was Piltdown Man. It was simply a fraud, perpetrated out of political and social reasons.
six_ball_man Champion Author Rochester Posts:8,558 Points:1,395,020 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 12:59:53 PM Ignore six_ball_man Report Abuse Anything claiming UFOs are of alien origin.
nvruiz Rookie Author San Diego Posts:1 Points:1,475 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Jun 8, 2011 2:17:12 PM Ignore nvruiz Report Abuse Ancient Astronauts?
gougedQC Champion Author Montreal Posts:5,130 Points:69,885 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Apr 1, 2010 10:19:08 PM Ignore gougedQC Report Abuse damn, there is no 'climategate' a special parliamentary science and technology investigative committee finds the DRU and Prof Jones were not falsifying data too bad, there is no conspiracy
gougedQC Champion Author Montreal Posts:5,130 Points:69,885 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Mar 29, 2010 7:00:52 PM Ignore gougedQC Report Abuse LD, . J. O'Rourke got to see that farmland was that he was with the US military guarding and transporting that food. UN observers can't get past the AK-47s to see it, so they don't report what they don't see unfortunately in this case you do not know what you're talking about, you don't know how the UN works, or gathers info. In any case, as I pointed out POSTWAR ie 2004-5 they had good rains and crops were up as much as 30% above average and there were still half a million hungry--and its not as if they exported food. They simple can no longer grow enough food to feed the population.. a situation that has become widespread across may countries.
ldheinz Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,055 Points:2,361,045 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Mar 29, 2010 9:00:48 AM Ignore ldheinz Report Abuse Oh, gougedQC, also the only way that P. J. O'Rourke got to see that farmland was that he was with the US military guarding and transporting that food. UN observers can't get past the AK-47s to see it, so they don't report what they don't see.
ldheinz Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,055 Points:2,361,045 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2010 2:47:20 PM Ignore ldheinz Report Abuse gougedQC, Somalia has no functioning government. I've heard convincing arguments that they never have had a functioning government. It has different groups of warlords constantly fighting among themselves and using food as a weapon.
gougedQC Champion Author Montreal Posts:5,130 Points:69,885 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2010 8:03:01 AM Ignore gougedQC Report Abuse LD- it is entirely possible the PH OROURKE saw good crops.. that still isn't enough to feed the population: the number one factor is years of unreliable rains, number 2 was conflict and distribution the figures for the very good crops were -post war- and yet still half a million people in 2004-2005 were undernourished or near starvation the chart linked shows how badly the country is off in terms of its own food supply if the weather patterns continue to be abnormal the situation throughout Africa will only worsen and calls on the "west" to help out, only increase.
ldheinz Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,055 Points:2,361,045 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Mar 27, 2010 11:48:57 AM Ignore ldheinz Report Abuse gougedQC - "Please indicate where you get the idea there was plenty of food in Somalia.." P. J. O'Rourke wrote a great book called "All the Trouble in the World", where he went to Somalia during the US intervention there. He describes driving in a food convoy for hour after hour through productive farmland rich with food so that the troops could deliver food from the far side of the world to people who were being starved for political reasons. And your article "proving" failure of the Green Revolution was nothing other than one man with an agenda's opinion. Check the link. It confirms that the problems in Africa are overwhelmingly political in nature.
gougedQC Champion Author Montreal Posts:5,130 Points:69,885 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2010 8:27:41 PM Ignore gougedQC Report Abuse the green revolution in Africa is a complete failure...what may work in a developed country aboslutely does not work, and did not work, in africa, due to vast different situations.. I have spoken to NGOs involved and they say the "green revolution" funded by "experts" from the US and elsewhere was doomed to failure before it even got off the ground and has caused more harm than good. Green Rev Failure Please indicate where you get the idea there was plenty of food in Somalia.. On the other hand in 2004-05, unusually good rains resulted in much higher than average crops- some up to 30% above average AND YET in spite of that, it still left half a million poeple there without food or undernourished this year if you look at the chart via the link below, there is nowhere in the country that is food secure, with the vast majority of the country, either highly food insecure, or extremely food insecure.. somalia food scarcity
ldheinz Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,055 Points:2,361,045 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Mar 24, 2010 9:30:46 AM Ignore ldheinz Report Abuse gougedQC - "LD perhaps you dont hear about news from other parts of the world where there have been many huge food riots, mexico, africa, asia. ... China did that for many reasons? no, just one, to prevent the population from expanding beyond the resources capable of sustaining it." China needed to let their economy catch up with their population to create a modern society. It's working. Today food shortages only exist where they have been created for political reasons. There's plenty of food. The Green Revolution worked. During the Somalia famine there was plenty of food in Somalia. It was not reaching some of the people because there was a war happening.
bytebug Champion Author Orange County Posts:26,402 Points:4,126,495 Joined:Oct 2001	Message Posted: Mar 24, 2010 1:25:15 AM Ignore bytebug Report Abuse "wanted to start another global warming debate" Nothing to debate since the beans were spilled a bit ago with how the data was massaged to fit the theory they wanted to push. No different than most scientific hoaxes.
gougedQC Champion Author Montreal Posts:5,130 Points:69,885 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Mar 23, 2010 8:10:32 PM Ignore gougedQC Report Abuse LD perhaps you dont hear about news from other parts of the world where there have been many huge food riots, mexico, africa, asia. China did that for many reasons? no, just one, to prevent the population from expanding beyond the resources capable of sustaining it. BYTEBUG- you started this topic under the guise of scientific hoaxes but its obvious you only wanted to start another global warming debate. dont know why you bothered when there are already a few.
ldheinz Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,055 Points:2,361,045 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Mar 22, 2010 11:02:05 AM Ignore ldheinz Report Abuse The supposed and often quoted fallacy that boys are called on in school more often than girls, which is used to justify giving girls special privileges in compensation. The actual study behind this was a limited sample size test in one city that showed that boys are punished much more severely than girls for similar offenses. Yes, the boys were called on more, or more accurately, called out. gougedQC, China did that for many reasons. Or are you saying that the world was plunged into chaos in the early 80s because of worldwide food shortages?
bytebug Champion Author Orange County Posts:26,402 Points:4,126,495 Joined:Oct 2001	Message Posted: Mar 22, 2010 12:13:35 AM Ignore bytebug Report Abuse "now the developing world is what is creating the greenhouse gasses" Sorry, but I don't think any of us are going to sop breathing by choice. And I don't think that the sun is going to stop shining. However, I'll bet that the scientists whose funding depends on it are going to keep lying. Global warming is just part of the natural climate cycles, else North America would still be covered by a sheet of ice.
gougedQC Champion Author Montreal Posts:5,130 Points:69,885 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 9:02:05 PM Ignore gougedQC Report Abuse funny LD- China felt that concept was of such concern that they instituted the ONE CHILD policy in 1978. The concern is completely valid as the earths population has grown, and continues to grow, putting ever increasing demands on the earthe finite resources this huge demand, and the vastly increased economic wealth of the developed worid, and now the developing world is what is creating the greenhouse gasses, causing a warming which in turn changes the weather patterns resulting in climate change which has become more and more evident in the past few decades. \Lets see... extreme and unusual cold spring in Europe, warmest winter ever in Canada, massive and unusal snow across the US... and the beat goes on... the biggest psuedo-scientific fraud is the anti AGW, hoax
ldheinz Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,055 Points:2,361,045 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 8:29:03 AM Ignore ldheinz Report Abuse One of my favorites is the Shoe Fitting Fluoroscope. Imagine parents taking their kids to get 200 times the maximum allowable yearly radiation exposure for nuclear power plant workers in one minute.
ldheinz Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,055 Points:2,361,045 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 8:09:56 AM Ignore ldheinz Report Abuse The Population Bomb. It was as popular among the "Chicken Little" people in the late 60s and early 70s as "global warming" is today. It was then followed by the Global Cooling crisis.
ldheinz Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,055 Points:2,361,045 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 1:37:43 AM Ignore ldheinz Report Abuse gougedQC, are you saying that you believe in cold fusion? ;-)
gougedQC Champion Author Montreal Posts:5,130 Points:69,885 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 6:52:49 PM Ignore gougedQC Report Abuse bytebug nice try, but you only got two outta three. one of these things is not like the other...lalala who are you trying to hoax?
ldheinz Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,055 Points:2,361,045 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:42:44 PM Ignore ldheinz Report Abuse 100 years ago, seances were portrayed that way...
erbyfub Champion Author Raleigh Posts:8,743 Points:1,679,360 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 9:42:19 AM Ignore erbyfub Report Abuse Wait, seances were scientific once?
ldheinz Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,055 Points:2,361,045 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 2:21:56 AM Ignore ldheinz Report Abuse Piltdown Man.
ldheinz Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,055 Points:2,361,045 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:47:41 AM Ignore ldheinz Report Abuse How about seances?